“Yeah, yeah, yeah, something like that.” [BIRDS CHIRPING] “I’ve been drawing Theo about two and a half years. We met on Grindr [CHUCKLES] because I was looking for models. And Theo turned up. And he was a brilliant model. And he kept coming back, which I was surprised about. But we gradually got to know each other. And then what was a model-artist relationship — yes — turned into a bit more. We saw a lot of each other. So I drew him even more. And I’m still drawing him. It’s amazing to get so much mileage out of one person.” “I think I’d just moved house to a new area. And I’d seen your profile once before. And it kind of caught my eye as a sort of interesting person to come across. And then you disappeared for a while. And I think sort of — then it was months later. I saw you again. And I contacted you, because it was you saying that you were looking for models for drawing. And I thought that sounded like fun, and I’d give it a go. And I went over. And it was really good fun. And also, it was a real proposal. And you were a real artist. And you were really interesting. And it wasn’t sort of — there were no other things going on. And I —” “I think it was the word ‘nude’ that caught your eye.” ”[LAUGHS] And I took live modeling very seriously. And we did a lot more drawing and got to know each other better and got on really well. And I’d sort of stay longer. And we’d listen to music and have drinks and stuff. And I did that for a long time. And it was almost slowly kind of blurring into — I guess it was like a friendship. And then —” ”— it was kind of just your birthday, because I guess I ended up staying over. But otherwise, nothing else changed. We kind of just then carried over, where it’s just carried on the same from then, which was nice, actually.” “Well, my friend Dave. He just said, why do you draw — why are you always drawing Theo in such an ugly way?” - [LAUGHS] “And I mean, in a way, I took that well. It was quite a compliment.” “And here, I look like I — [LAUGHS].” “Because we know each other so well, there’s a kind of ease about drawing him. That means I can be very relaxed and free about it. And that’s really lovely, rather than feeling uptight and worried what he’s going to think. I think I draw him in a different way to how I draw anyone else, really.” [PENCIL SCRATCH] “You kind of feel very connected. You can just kind of by being studied, you can feel being looked at. And then, you kind of also give your energy back in a bit of a swap. I can hear the pencil on the paper. And you can kind of imagine yourself being created on the page with all the little sounds.” [PENCIL SCRATCH] “A friend of mine came to the show and said it was an ode to love, which I hadn’t thought of it in that sort of way at all. But of course it is, really. How else could you describe it? That was a lovely and unexpected byproduct, really, of the whole thing from my point of view. I wasn’t doing it with that intention. It’s more like hundreds of drawing exercises, as far as I’m concerned, of this very special person. But it’s not really on the subject of love. I mean, you might — I don’t like to be too sort of slushy about it. But drawing the muse so incessantly has got to say a lot about the relationship of the people. It’s not just someone. It’s this important person to the artist. O.K.” “All right. Not bad.” [BIRDS SINGING]